

“I wanna blow this up.”
That’s reportedly what Bari Weiss told colleagues early in her tenure as editor-in-chief of CBS News. Eight months later, 60 Minutes — the highest-rated newsmagazine in America, a show that had just posted its best season in years — had gone from seven full-time correspondents to three. Longtime anchor Scott Pelley was fired after telling the new executive producer, in front of staff, that Weiss was “murdering” the broadcast. Its biggest remaining star, Lesley Stahl, called the weeks that followed “the hardest chapter of my career.”
Behind those headlines, it’s a culture case study. It’s also striking evidence of three things I tell every executive I work with:
CBS just ran a live demonstration of all three.
Why ‘Chainsaw Culture’ Is So Dangerous
The leadership style I call chainsaw culture treats disruption as a strategy instead of a tool used in service of one. It looks decisive. It generates headlines. But, according to the people who study organizational change for a living, it’s almost never the fastest route to where you’re actually trying to go.
“A generation of people actually believe that disruption is virtue, and that’s an enormous mistake,” says Ronald Heifetz, a senior lecturer in public leadership at Harvard’s Kennedy School, commenting on the CBS situation. The alternative, he argues, is “minimally culturally disruptive innovation”: building on what works rather than gutting it on the assumption that demolition equals progress.
Radical change feels fast. But, in reality, it makes you slow to recover trust, slow to rebuild what you broke, slow to recover from losing so much talent along the way.
How CBS Paid the Price
60 Minutes was not in need of rescue. Under outgoing executive producer Bill Owens, the broadcast had averaged 9.1 million viewers in its most recent season. That is a 9% increase over the year before. Pelley called it a “triumphal year.”
It didn’t matter. Weiss, installed by Paramount Skydance CEO David Ellison after the company acquired her Free Press outlet, set out to remake CBS News anyway. Owens and CEO Wendy McMahon had already exited in 2025 amid pressure tied to a Trump lawsuit the company chose to settle. Then came executive producer Tanya Simon, correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi — who said her exit followed a dispute over a segment she believed was pulled for political reasons, a claim CBS disputes — and finally Pelley, fired days after Weiss told staff it was time for “a new approach.”
The cost showed up almost immediately. CBS Mornings viewership fell 11% the day after Pelley's firing. CBS Evening News lost 6% of total viewers and 19% in the advertiser-coveted 25-54 demographic within a week. None of that is a coincidence. It’s the bill arriving.
When Your Stars Head for the Door
Here’s the mechanism I want leaders to actually understand, because it’s more precise than “good people quit.” When trust breaks inside an organization, the people who leave first are disproportionately the ones who can. They are the ones whose skills are most portable, whose reputations travel, whose résumés open doors elsewhere. Call it the options filter: Disruption doesn’t remove people at random. It removes them in the order of who has somewhere else to go.
McKinsey’s research on turnover consistently identifies blocked advancement and broken trust as the top predictors of who leaves a disrupted organization. Inevitably, it’s disproportionately your most marketable people, because staying costs them (financially and emotionally) more than leaving does. At CBS, the names who left or were forced out (Owens, McMahon, Simon, Alfonsi, Pelley) were, without exception, people who could have walked into another newsroom within the month.
But the filter isn’t absolute. Stahl, along with correspondents Bill Whitaker and Jon Wertheim stayed, even though they doubtlessly also had other options. “We don't want to see 60 Minutes die,” they wrote. “We have been grieving because this whole mess has wounded and damaged the broadcast.” They appear to believe they can save the broadcast and the culture it had under the people who recently departed. Saying goodbye is hard. Staying often proves even harder. It’s that desire to rescue what once was, not just the presence of options, that predicts who’s tempted to stay. It doesn’t determine who actually does. What determines that is whether the organization still feels worth defending and whether anyone in leadership has given them a reason to believe it will be.
2 Restructurings, 2 Very Different Outcomes
I worked with a managing partner I’ll call Marcus, who inherited a professional services firm he believed was overstaffed with the wrong skills for where the market was heading. He moved fast: a reorganization announced on a Friday, new reporting lines by Monday, three department heads gone within the month, no public explanation beyond “the firm needs to evolve.”
Within six weeks, his two strongest directors had resigned. Both had been recruited away by competitors who’d been circling for years. The people who stayed were, almost entirely, the ones with the fewest other options: less senior, less marketable, less confident they could land somewhere better. Marcus had filtered his own bench, and not in the direction he wanted, ensuring a mediocre performance culture.
The second time he needed to restructure, 18 months later, and with an explicit emphasis we had placed on culture, he did it differently. He spent three weeks explaining the why before naming a single change. He rolled the restructuring out in phases, checking in after each one, adjusting based on what he heard. He lost almost no one. The market conditions forcing his hand were identical both times. The only thing that changed was his approach.
Disruption That Loses Sight of the Long Term
So why does chainsaw leadership keep happening, given how badly it tends to go? Duke finance professors John Graham and Campbell Harvey, with Shivaram Rajgopal, surveyed more than 400 executives and found that nearly 80% would sacrifice long-term value to hit a short-term earnings target. And 55% would kill a project with a genuinely positive return if it meant missing this quarter’s number. Demolition is visible, fast and easy to narrate to a board or a parent company. Patient, incremental rebuilding is none of those things, even when it works better.
The research on what actually works points the other way. Kotter and Heskett’s 11-year study of more than 200 companies found that adaptive cultures (not strong or solid ones, but adaptive ones) produced superior net income growth, return on invested capital and stock appreciation over time. Gallup’s ongoing meta-analysis of business units worldwide finds the most engaged teams run roughly 21% to 23% more profitable than the least engaged.
3 Change Strategies for Leaders
1. Name the why before naming who goes. Amy Edmondson at Harvard Business School puts it plainly: When people don’t understand why change is happening, they fill the gap with their own explanation. This is usually worse than the truth. Say the why first, in plain language, and keep saying it. Silence is never neutral. It’s just a vacuum someone uninformed fills.
2. Sequence the change as a cycle, not a demolition. The leaders who pull off real transformation treat it as “a journey of hypothesizing, trying, learning, tweaking, trying again,” rather than a single irreversible event, Edmondson says. Change is a process of iteration. Make this explicit. Ritualize iteration. Ford’s Alan Mulally rebuilt a culture of honesty inside a company famous for burying bad news by celebrating the first executive who brought him an uncomfortable truth instead of punishing him for it.
3. Watch departures, not just what’s changing. Every resignation during a period of disruption is data. If the people walking out the door are consistently your most marketable, least replaceable talent, that’s not noise. Track it as carefully as you track the metrics that justified the change in the first place.
What the CBS Controversy Shows Us
Strip away the network politics and the 60 Minutes story is a culture story any organization could produce: A leader inherits something good, decides good isn’t good enough, fast enough and reaches for the chainsaw instead of the blueprint. Talented employees with option leave. The ratings follow. The board asks what happened, and the honest answer is the one nobody wants to give: The disruption was never necessary to begin with.
Radical change can occasionally be unavoidable. But when it’s chosen instead of required, it tends to cost exactly what this is costing CBS: top talent, credibility and the quarter or two of performance the change was supposed to protect. Incremental change is slower to implement but faster to take hold: You don’t have to spend time rebuilding trust because it was never destroyed in the first place.
If you're sitting on a change you know is coming and you’re tempted to reach for the chainsaw, I’d like to help you think through the blueprint instead. Book a 30-minute Insight Call with me and let’s talk about what's actually happening and what to do about it.